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    summary Rising Up and Rising Down PDF NEW [Rising Up and Rising Down] My own aim in this book was to create a simple and practical moral calculus which would make it clear when it was acceptable to kill how many could be killed and so forth coldblooded enough you will say but life cannot evade death William Vollmann Rising Up and Rising Down p291I feel a bit crazy by taking on this endeavor but having recently finished a couple of Vollmann's longer novels Europe Central and The

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    PDF NEW [Rising Up and Rising Down] Rising Up and Rising Down is correctly compared to Gibbon’s Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire At least so today ; in one hundred years who can say Both are massive multi volume works which intimidate in their physical presences Both have a very short simple uestion in mind to address When is violence justified? ; Why did the Roman Empire fall? Neither uestion is easy to answer Both works are intensely erud

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    summary Rising Up and Rising Down PDF NEW [Rising Up and Rising Down] William T. Vollmann ò 0 characters Volume 1 Meditations Introduction Definitions Apr 21 Apr 24 2013 Is there a moral calculus a true meaning social calculation that one might use as a standard for committing violence? Is it possible to sift through the assholes and ash heaps of history all that bloodshed and grief to find the building blocks of the demons of our worser natures? Whether a reader believes he is successful or not William Vollmann has made that 17 year investm

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    PDF NEW [Rising Up and Rising Down] “AS WE GO UP WE GO DOWN”This will be longEXPOSITION Rising Up and Rising Down had sat on my Vollmann shelf—four plus feet in length and out of room—for six months a gap of black grinning sickeningly at me like missing teeth in a bully’s smile ‘You’re not up to this’ it taunted And indeed I wasn’t—I had made that fatal error of relegating it to aesthetic rather than artistic value Only now 3298 pages later do I realize

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    free read ✓ PDF, DOC, TXT or eBook ò William T. Vollmann William T. Vollmann ò 0 characters summary Rising Up and Rising Down A Lot of Kisses “I know he’s probably a genius and everything but Bill’s just such a sweetheart He puts so much of his desire for goodness into his books So in a way it’s as if each letter of every word he writes is like a little kiss I guess that’s a lot of letters in this particular book He’s a very generous

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    PDF NEW [Rising Up and Rising Down] summary Rising Up and Rising Down Let me just start by saying that if I were somehow given the authority to make a list of books that people had to read Rising Up and Rising Down would be on that list Now I imagine the majority of people would be angry at me for assigning such an oversized overwrought book but I swear it's worth it Of course that promise doesn't tell you much so I'm going to do what I never normally do and summarize a bit Ri

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    summary Rising Up and Rising Down PDF NEW [Rising Up and Rising Down] free read ✓ PDF, DOC, TXT or eBook ò William T. Vollmann This book is very long It has many pages stuffed between its covers Not only that but almost all of those pages are brimming with words Much like War and Peace and 2666 it is lengthy and also has a spinal width that shirks all sensible notions of modesty It is a tome nearly identical to Infinite Jest another thick book s

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    PDF NEW [Rising Up and Rising Down] Note This review was written about 7 years ago on another website I'm just copying and pasting it here so that it can live with my 'modern' reviews' The 'reviews' on this website were supposed to be 'consumer friendly' and help people make e

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Rising Up and Rising Down summary ✓ PDF, DOC, TXT or eBook William T. Vollmann ò 0 characters free read ✓ PDF, DOC, TXT or eBook ò William T. Vollmann S and has put himself in harms way He has been burned by skinheads nearly frozen to death on the Arctic tundra and almost blown to pieces by a mine in Bosnia which killed two of his friends The history of the world is a history of violence Vollmann looks at violence through the prism of ethics and honestly addresses both its value and waste Rising Up Rising Down is Vollmann's meditation on the age old conundrum when is violence justified Vollmann writes 'My own aim in beginning this book was to create a simple and practical moral calculus. Let me just start by saying that if I were somehow given the authority to make a list of books that people had to read Rising Up and Rising Down would be on that list Now I imagine the majority of people would be angry at me for assigning such an oversized overwrought book but I swear it s worth it Of course that promise doesn t tell you much so I m going to do what I never normally do and summarize a bit Rising Up and Rising Down is really a lot specific than its subtitle would lead you to believe It s an exercise in trying to determine or uncover a moral calculus which would help one decide when it would be appropriate to use violence The assumption other authors might make here would be violence is at least sometimes appropriate But Vollmann isn t content with that low level of rigor he takes it upon himself to prove that complete nonviolence in the style of Gandhi is not the best approach for the everyman Of course it s a pretty inductivespeculative proof consisting basically in saying Gandhi would have been totally screwed had he been facing the Reich instead of the raj Hitler probably would have been okay just killing him and all of his followers But it does make intuitive sense humans certainly aren t hardwired for nonviolence so probably only Gandhi and Jesus and maybe Martin Luther King Jr would have trouble with Vollmann s stance on thisThen he goes on through a series of historical figures and tries to interpret or imagine their moral calculus if they have one The abridgment has pretty substantial sections on Napoleon Julius Caesar Abraham Lincoln which is particularly good the Maruis de Sade and a handful of others I assume the unabridged version has many many This exercise is relatively effective especially for figures closer in history to our own time like Lincoln who actually comes out looking pretty goodAfter that Vollmann brings together his moral calculus which takes the form of an outline giving various defenses and justifications for violence He reminds us that this is only what he s come up with and according to our own beliefs our moral calculus may be and maybe should be different But he s been so reasonable this whole time that it s hard to take any issue with his calculus which I d think would work well for just about any American the degree to which our political systems influence our individual beliefs leads me to think that Vollmann s highly individualistic calculus may not work so well in other countriesEverything after this point could arguably be called a failure as far as what the book s original aim supposedly was What we expect here is Vollmann going from country to country doing case studies basically observing violence and trying to determine whether said violence is justified or not These case studies comprise the bulk of the unabridged version s length whereas they re only a few hundred pages in the abridgment So I feel a little uneasy calling the little piece of them that I saw a failure except for the fact that I absolutely do not mean it in a bad way Here s what I mean by failure Vollmann says early on that he is going to withhold his judgment on whether what he observes is justified or not in favor of letting the reader apply the moral calculus But I suspect the real reason he withholds his judgment in most of these cases is the same reason that I do it s impossible to know enough about what s going on in most of these places to make an informed judgment And as an outsider twice removed I the reader would feel incredibly arrogant were I to make that judgmentIf you went to a country in the guise half truthful I guess of a journalist a country where you suspected a certain group of people were being oppressed how could you find out whether they really were or not First of all it s dangerous where you are for all you know if you go around asking too many uestions you may end up dead You most likely won t be able to distinguish the different ethnic groups creating the tensions so talking to the wrong people could be a problem So you do what Vollmann does and hire a prostitute to be your tour guide But here s the thing who s going to talk to you Whatever they re afraid of is definitely powerful than you the journalist are so what do they stand to gain by telling you about their problems Nothing of course and they have their life to loseThis is basically what seems to happen to Vollmann when he goes to Thailand nobody s willing to tell him the things he most wants to know Sometimes they tell him exactly the opposite which could invalidate the testimonies of the few honest and fearless or stupid people he runs into who do tell him things He wanders around the country on the vaguest of hunches trying to find capital T Truth and failingAnd this by the way is one of the really commendable things about Vollmann There are plenty of people who are willing to go to great and dangerous lengths to find Truth but they usually don t do it without some assurance that Truth will be there at the end waiting for them Vollmann on the other hand is smart enough to be pretty sure he s never going to find Truth but he goes anyway Thus why he sits starving in a foxhole in Sarajevo for weeks getting shot at every time he tries to leave the place and obtaining no greater justification for the violence than a Bosnian s testimony that Serbs are evil The main thing he finds out on his extensive peregrinations is that most of the people who are actively engaged in violence are not exercising a very complex moral calculus But can you blame them Moral calculus is a luxury most of them can t afford And Vollmann being a reasonable guy doesn t blame them eitherSo what these supposed case studies turn out to be is just a series of really heartbreaking vignettes showing poverty violence hatred etc etc ad literal naus Yes Vollmann s motives and his execution are both commendable but is he really helping anyone It seems at least from the abridgment I hate having to keep mentioning that I read the short version but it s necessary that he is not aside from the relief andor vindication people may feel at the fact that an American journalist is taking interest in them to a point where he s willing to brave their conditions So the takeaway point although I m not sure he ever comes right out and says this is that it s really hard to apply your moral calculus to violence that s being perpetrated by others since you can never know all the factors You can only apply it to your own potential acts of violence this is where it s most usefulLong story short and I know I ve been saying this a lot lately but read this book The abridgment seems to be a lot easier to find and cheaper to buy and is plenty long already and nobody except a really hardcore Vollmann fan is going to give you trouble for it And if you like it you ll want to get and read the unabridged version anywayBecause it is big whether you ve got the abridgment or notThere s not much evidence in the book that Vollmann s native female companions in these countries are actually prostitutes but if they were it d be a smart move Who else knows a lot about the country in uestion can go anywhere and talk to anyone and probably won t kill you in your sleepThousands of pages devoted to this stuff in the unabridged version remember

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Rising Up and Rising Down summary ✓ PDF, DOC, TXT or eBook William T. Vollmann ò 0 characters free read ✓ PDF, DOC, TXT or eBook ò William T. Vollmann Which would make it clear when it was acceptable to kill how many could be killed and so forth' Vollmann has consulted hundreds of sources scrutinizing the thinking of philosophers theologians tyrants warlords military strategists activists and pacifists He has visited than a dozen countries and war zones to witness violence firsthand sometimes barely escaping with his life The result is a deeply personal book full of insight that is a major publishing event hailed by Zembla magazine as possibly 'the most ambitious literary project ever'. Note This review was written about 7 years ago on another website I m just copying and pasting it here so that it can live with my modern reviews The reviews on this website were supposed to be consumer friendly and help people make educated decisions about buying products maybe that explains some of the awkwardness here The voting system on that site also forced me to stay on topic than I grown used to writing here on goodreadscomA couple of years ago William Vollmann released this book in a beautiful unabridged version It was 7 volumes and over 3300 pages I wanted the book I had a set in my hands and the decision between eating for the next month or getting the book was a tough one but physical survival won out Now Harper Collins has released a very abridged paperback version of the book Clocking in at 700 pages this is less than a uarter of the original and only served to whet my appetite for the now even expensive original version What is this book aboutViolence When is it justified to use violence as a means for an end When is it unjustified What are the different reasons people have resorted to violence Are there times when non violence is unjustified Violence in it s many facets from the atrocities of Hitler and Stalin to the oh to mundane everyday gangs that urbane places deal with Why would one want to read this book or Why would I not really I the person writing the review but I guess presumptuously I the reader as if I could speak for you want to read this book I don t know I loved the book I thought that the book was fascinating on two separate accounts The first half of the book reads as a history of violence A very well written history novel told with an attempt to fully flesh out the motives behind some of the troubling moments of history but written with a novelist s eye for language The second half of the book is a series of case studies or rather first person reports from some of the worst regions in our Modern World From his descriptions of being holed up in a youth hostel on the border between Croatia and Serbia to visiting the Killing Fields of Cambodia and walking through the no man land in a gang warfare Jamaican city Vollmann writes with a sense that brings the reader right with him to this unimaginable places In these horrific places he meets the people living out these unfortunate moments of history and tries to answer the why the violence is going on from both sides The sympathy of the reader moves from one group to another atrocities abound and in the end of almost all the case studies the reader is facing one of the only possible truths of violence that it s incomprehensible and obliue the closer you get to it The clear cut answers disappear and the victims and executors switch sides till justifications become almost meaningless But still Vollmann entices the reader to ask the big uestions of why Will reading this book make me a happier personNo Pessimism will most likely abound Sorry But are there pictures I like picturesYes there is a series of pictures entitled If Everyone Hates Violence Why do These People Look So Happy or something like that A series of portraits of people and their weapons mostly looking uite happy It s an interesting point of the book that sums up the slightly disturbing elements present Vollmann doesn t take the high road and outright condemn violence He admits to his own ownership of many guns and that he carries guns on him even when he s home to guarantee his safety Yeah but if there s pictures of people with guns is Ted Nugent in any of them I like the NugeYes he s there smiling with his son So is this right wing NRA nonsenseNo LiberalNope not liberal either It s one of the few books dealing with a topic like this that I have ever read that is really achieves a high level of objectivity Vollmann seems genuinely concerned to see all the sides to any of the situations he looks atSo anyway this is me speaking not me pretending I m the reader this book is an incredible piece of work The writing is stunning the subject matter incredibly engaging and even if you re not that interested in violence per se it s a wonderful overview of the history of the world seen through the lens of War but a lot of history really is about war From the Ancient Greeks to contemporary Conflicts Vollmann immerses himself and the reader in the situations and the result is a truly great piece of literature

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Rising Up and Rising Down summary ✓ PDF, DOC, TXT or eBook William T. Vollmann ò 0 characters free read ✓ PDF, DOC, TXT or eBook ò William T. Vollmann The authorized abridged edition of the 3000 page seven volume magnum opus which was nominated for the US National Book Critic's Circle Award The LA Times has said of Vollmann 'He has an uncompromising intelligence that will change the way you think about all of history' In this book a labour of twenty three years Vollmann will change the way you think about violence Vollmann brings to this subject compelling logic knowledge research and authentic experience His research is legendary He has immersed himself in the hazardous worlds he cover. Volume 1 Meditations Introduction Definitions Apr 21 Apr 24 2013 Is there a moral calculus a true meaning social calculation that one might use as a standard for committing violence Is it possible to sift through the assholes and ash heaps of history all that bloodshed and grief to find the building blocks of the demons of our worser natures Whether a reader believes he is successful or not William Vollmann has made that 17 year investment into hell to attempt to understand even the most fleeting possibilities of real meaning the violence that rules humanityI wanted to find a base point below which we couldn t go the floor of evil states Vollmann I ve been reading this book for three days the last two nights I ve had terrible dreams I m only reading it WTV lived it researched it got inside its treacly innards and demanded to know Why This isn t an easy read but I think it s an important one Grappling with the terrible parts of our humanity is as essential as embracing the best bits Volume 2 Justifications for Violent Defense Part 1 Apr 28 Sep 28 2013 While reading Vollmann s non fiction there are many times that I feel that he is part Anthony Gotto part Franz Mesmer he can juggle so many diverse lines of thought and reason without dropping the thread all the while keeping the reader engaged and wildly turning pages in an almost hypnotic transe Even if we aren t 100% with him if we can t keep up with the arcana and head spinning references or we aren t exactly sure we agree with him Bill is never bashful about the fact that he is driving that train And these boxcars Defense of Honor Class Authority Race and Culture Creed they are loadeded with learning horrors hopeFriends Nathan Aloha and Hadrian will all have sage and important things than me to say about these books If I might though I d like to share the most profound piece of personal learning I ve taken away from Volume 2We re all familiar with the Golden Rule Do unto others as you would have them do unto you As an adult I ve often felt that this Rule might not be so applicable in our flat world I m a white guy in America how do I know that if I treat a Turkish woman in Istanbul the same way that I would want to be treated that I wouldn t be wildly offending her Bill has noodled on this and has writ an important update to the RuleEmpath s Golden Rule Do unto others not only as you would be done by but also as they would be done by In the case of any variance do the generous thingI like that uite a bit Thanks Bill for this I m looking forward to being challenged by you in the next Volume of your magnum opus Moral Calculus Volume Oct 5 Oct 14 2013 It was somewhere around the halfway point of WTV s moral calculus on violence that I put the book down and said out loud Just who the fuck is this guyI came to RURD wanting to learn I didn t want to just read this text I wanted to understand be taught at the feet of someone who has seen so much violence and death first hand that he lived these pages as much as he wrote them My last violent confrontation was when I punched and tackled overweight Joey Labarbra when he told me how babies were made The violence of that event and the shame on my father s face when I told him why I started a fight and his confirmation that Joey was right are memories fused together that I ll call the end of my innocence Sex and violence Why did it have to happen like that34 years have passed and I have avoided every type of willful violence possible I am not just a pacifist I d like to also think that so much of the world s violence occurs because of each person s willingness or not to participate in the daily and ongoing realities of violent confrontation It isn t just for frontline soldiers or barroom pugilists it is for armchair readers too So my willingness to let Vollmann under my skin forced me to face some very real and hardened personal filters There is a time for violence And if I don t admit that and come to grips with my own personal Moral Calculus MC on violence what will happen ifwhen the day comes that violence is reuired by me to save my life the life of a family member the life of a friend the life of a stranger the life of an enemy This isn t pissing in the wind This is lifeSo I had to take a break from this series and seriously think about my approach to violence In the intro to his own MC Vollmann makes clear what the reader is about to experience is his own attempt to clarify and refine his approach to the employment of violence and that the reader shouldn t take it as gospel Each person should create their own personal MC If I really wanted to do this I needed to read think speak aloud the words those feelings were creating and hopefully begin a fresh approach to this subject It s a long work in progress but I am ready now to return to RUaRD and continue with WTV s next volume on his ode to violence Volume 3 Justifications for Violent Defense Part 2 Jan 5 Dec 16 2014 I began 2014 with the goal to sip from the River Vollmann rather than wade in it With a newly enacted policy of only one volume of RURD per year I felt free to take the paths off the main trail to increase my education and improve my approach to Bill s take on violence This course proved fruitful and fulfilling I ll replicate it in 2015 with the next volumeThe 500 pages of Volume 3 encompass WTV s take on justified violence in defense of War Aims Homeland Ground The Earth Animals Gender Traitors and Revolution The first two sections sent me on a multi book investigation on Ancient Rome my great ignorance of this period of history necessitated an in depth study for me to really challenge myself on the author s opinions He spends a lot of time with Julius Caesar his reflections on that man paint a picture uite different than the overly masticated and regurgitated 21st century version commonly known But it s Vollmann s Defense of Animals section in this volume that has become my favorite part of this series so far The author really struggles with his Moral Calculus on the subject his writing is honest to the point where you can almost sense him throwing his hands up in despair This is the type of writing I want to read when we are talking about something as important as human violence there are no easy answers WTV s empathy with both native Greenlanders and vegans makes the reader realize one Moral Calculus does not fit all And to place our morality on someone else in their culture is borderline reprehensibleMy copy of Volume 3 is pretty beat up It has traveled with me across three continents this year and logged over 30000 miles I didn t spill anything on it thank the Maker but its dog eared bent spine visage looks very little like the book that started the year in my backpack I wish I could pay it back for how much it has taught me Volume 4 Justifications for Violent Defense Part 3 Evaluations October 17 2015 April 11 2016 Volume IV of RURD completes Vollmann s explorations of Violent Justifications There s violence committed as deterrence retribution andor revenge punishment sadismmasochism moral yellowness inevitability Among others I spent the most amount of time in this volume in the Deterrence Retribution and Revenge section especially in the very human hypocritical and somewhat true invocation of Tu uoue that debasement of the Golden Rule ie do as you have been done by that is certainly no judicially accepted defense and yet humans are constantly employing it at a personal corporate government global level Vollmann lays out the Lawrence of Arabia employment of Tu uoue against the Turks he uotes Eisenhower invoking the sentiment walks through the Nazi employment of Tu uoue We killed Jews and the Russians killed Poles and the Russians aren t being indicted so neither should we and then offers this Tu uoue is not a justified defense for unethical acts of violence unless those acts have been consensualized into an ethos of acceptability underline mineI found this concept the most difficult of dozens of brain wrenching Vollmannisms in RURD When our society accepts unethical acts of violence we have lost I can only imagine Vonnegut s reaction to the bombing of Dresden in the Allies enactment of Tu uoue And we see this daily in all places of the planet from revenge cop killing in Dallas to every armed conflict Dear God and baby Jesus I never want to be a part of a species that creates an ethos of acceptable justification for unethical acts of violence At that point we are just goddamned cursed animals and deserve whatever we have coming to usThe most fascinating side reading from Volume IV was Krushchev s memoirs I see it is possible to still get a second hand copy of this amazing work online anyone that lived through the Cold War and wondered just what in the world was going through the minds of the Russians this book is definitely for you Highly recommendedThe last two sections of this Volume are two important sections of Vollmann opinions Evaluations on Safeguards and Victims Vollmann posits these four safeguards of Justification of Violence in Self Defense 1 The greater number of categories an act of self defense can legitimately invoke the justified it will be 2 The greater the variety of participants an act of self defense attracts the justified it is likely to be 3 Experience alone and theoretical grounding alone are insufficient foundations for any moral calculus eg Just having experience especially in a dogmatic doctrinal mindset produces parochial conclusions4 Context must inform the act that we judge but ought not to predetermine the judgmentI have taken a long break from RURD to read other things both RURD referred and not but I have to be honest that the concept of Tu uoue and its consistent human application laid me so low that I was afraid to have another Vollmann brain bomb ignite and make me feel hopeless for humanity I still have two volumes to go and yes I m looking forward to completing the

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